Nicole

Hey, friends. So I’m super excited. Because I love chatting with you guys. And you always are submitting the greatest questions and today’s chat is about something that comes up a lot. And I saw this over on Instagram when I dropped an Ask me anything. So if you’re not following me on Instagram, head over to NicoleWalters actually asked me all over social media, but Nicole Walters over on Instagram. And occasionally I’ll just throw up like one of those little question boxes, you can submit questions, and I’ll answer them here and all that good stuff. But one question that comes up all the time, all the time, is Nicole, how do you decide what you want to share? Like, what is the difference between privacy, between shame, between, you know, you’re on social media, and thus, you know, people are entitled to share your life or all of that, you know, and I just want to take a moment to answer that question. Because, you know, there’s so many questions people are interested in, just because life has gone through so many transitions for me in particular, and, you know, I’m dating someone new. And, you know, I got my girls here, and I dealt with divorce.

And you know, I’ve got this incredible, incredible book coming out in fall of 2023, this fall with Simon and Schuster. And it’s my memoir. So it’s, you know, talking about how I got here and what I’m doing next, you know, so all these things are happening. And I do share very transparently, and, and openly on social. So people want to know, Nicole, how do you decide what you share? So that’s, I want to talk about that.

Now, there’s a couple of things you’ve probably heard me already say. And one of them is that I prefer to share my scars and not my scabs. And the implication there is, you know, while things may not be perfectly healed over, I try not to share when the wounds are still raw, or in a position where people may not extract the real value and lessons from it. But just sharing kind of, you know, the pain while I’m in it, I do my best, I’m imperfect about it, you know, but I do my best to try to make sure that when I am sharing, I’m in a place where it’s, I have more clarity, I have lessons I have something to offer. And it’s not just sort of waxing poetic on the internet just to you know, garner attention or to you have a place to express.

I really want to make sure that anything I offer either draws, you know, glory to what God is doing and can do inspiration that you know, you’re able to overcome things or actual tactical practical lessons on how to get it done. So that is one of the things I always think of when I share. Now, I will tell you the other part is, and I think this may come as a huge surprise to many and it’ll be less of a surprise this fall when you read my book. Because when you read my book, you’re going to get a full color picture on the black and white that you’ve seen on social and you’ll realize that I am very transparent with what I do share.

And I don’t know if that may come as a surprise to some because it’s like man, Nicole, but I really feel like you put everything out there. And it’s true. I definitely put out more than probably 90% of people because frankly, I’m very grateful for the life that I have and I’m also very secure in the life I have most people wouldn’t even know the things that I have the biggest insecurities about their idea, you know, but for the most part, I’m pretty secure in myself and my life and my family and all those things because I know that I’m flawed and I know I’m a hot mess and frankly, after being on social media for almost 15 years, I mean literally if you scroll back, I’ve been on here for 15 years.

I’ve always been me. I was using social media before people were so worried about looking like an influencer looking perfect or looking fancy. So I mean everything you see here, flaws, mistakes, errors, imperfect parenting, I mean, I have literally never tried to look perfect that has been, honestly my brand, my brand is the hot mess express. So, and the imperfect Christian and the figuring it all out as I go, you know, the only thing I think I’ve ever really said that I feel pretty strong about his business. And even there, I make mistakes, you know, and I’m still learning in new ways and fields and careers and areas.

But, you know, for the most part, I know what I’m doing there. But all that being said, you know, it’s been so many years of sharing online, and doing it just kind of candidly that I think that what a lot of people miss and when I share is that I am not sharing everything. Right? So a lot of times when things are being shared online, again, because I have a little bit of a delay there, I’m sharing things a little bit after they happened, you know, so when it comes to my divorce, you know, I was already years into the process of, you know, separation and all of that, before anybody even knew anything about it.

You know, I’d been dating my current partner now, you know, for months and months and months and months before, there was even indication that I’ve been dating them, let alone making the announcement. He’d already been in my kids’ lives for over six months, before I’ve even shared anything, you know, with anyone you know. So I think that sometimes people think that, you know, because I do choose to share that type of information that maybe I’m playing it out real time, and I’m not. So one of the things that I think is, if you’re trying to figure out kind of what do I share? What don’t I share, you know, how to look at people’s things. What does that mean? It’s that, you know, a great example is, you know, I did this TV show with USA Network, where I was the lead of, you know, kind of a show showing my business, my life, my family, and all of those things. And on this show, you know, my marriage is depicted, my family’s depicted and so many people were saying like, Oh, my gosh, like, while the show was airing, were you going through the process of divorce and separation, was your marriage having challenges?

And I think that a lot of people may not realize it, but once I say this to you, you’re gonna be like, Oh, my gosh, of course. And oh, that makes so much sense. So, TV is filmed on a delay. Think about this, as you’re watching television shows, how often do you see a difference in weather. So they may be, you know, in winter wearing coats while you’re watching at home in the spring. And just because TV is filmed on delay. A lot of times the things that you’re seeing on television can be as long as four years in the making, two years in the making, three years in the making.

The process of television is one where you film, you know, your pilot or your sampler or your reel that gets approved by the network, then you gotta gather a team, then you film the whole thing. And then editing alone can take months and months and months. And I know that people are like, What do you mean editing, it’s reality TV, you still have to edit stuff out. Because if you’re filming someone for hours, and hours and hours on end, to get a TV show, you’re not going to film, you know, me walking to my bathroom, you’re going to kind of zip from the living room to the bathroom. So everything still goes through editing. And then on top of that, remember, TV shows have commercials. So that means that you’ve got proposals and contracts and things you have to sign in agreement, then those commercials have to get made to get inserted to get put into the network.

So recognize that by the time things come to you in life, especially with entertainment. It’s Oh, so long in the making. So let’s bring that back to you know, what I think a lot of people are wondering, and maybe why you’re listening to this chat today is, you know, people are asking me like Nicole like, I know, we’re just learning about this guy, but are you married? Are you engaged? Are you, you know, what is the status of your relationship? You know, some people are saying, are you having babies, you’ve talked about wanting to have babies, all of that.

So I’m just gonna say it just outright so that it’s totally and completely clear. I am approaching this relationship so differently than I have my others. Now, I have never been one to share my marriage very publicly, or my relationships very publicly. Meaning I have never said I’m a relationship guru. I have not. I am the first to say, I am so excited to be in love. I love this man. Up and down. It is so cool. Being with someone who’s so incredible. I am just giddy about it. And furthermore, everything you’re seeing I am, I can’t stop smiling about it because I cannot believe that this is even happening to me again.

Like I can’t believe I get a chance or a shot at being a wife, at having my own children, when I tell you that going through an unexpected and challenging divorce, broke my heart and I was just, I had to in my healing journey as a single woman, I reconcile that what I am in right now could never possibly never happen for me. So a lot of people don’t realize that when you accept the process of divorce, and you are going through it, you have to be willing to let go of everything. So, because divorce is like that, you know, it’s one of those things where, you know, depending on how your partners may feel, they may be in a mindset of, like, I’m going to get everything or I’m over it or they’re materialistic or whatever. So in order for you to be okay moving forward, you have to be okay leaving everything behind. And I will talk a lot more about that. And I talk about that in my book, some just the importance of surrender, and letting go, but knowing that I really had to heal to the point where I was very okay with it being just me and God, and my girls, of course, you know, that’s something I would never let go, my babies are always gonna be with me and mine, and I love them.

So all that being said, knowing that I would have an opportunity to experience love, even for five minutes, the way that I do, I literally can’t shut up about it, because I had no idea what this is like, and people who are in love or have love or have happy marriages, or are in partnerships that I think are a reflection of the season that I’m in right now, understand exactly what I’m talking about. But people who may not have that or have given up hope on seeing it, may be a little bit more critical or disbelieving or lack understanding around it. And I understand that, but I can absolutely tell you that it is a really, really special thing like I am beside myself. But all that being said, with the marriage, I hope that we get married, you know, like I love him, I want to be married, I love being a wife, like, full on love it. I want to have babies, you know, and all that stuff’s great. And I just y’all know I’ve shared that already.

But what I will also tell you as friends is y’all will be the first to know after like family and my babies, you know, and my close friends, but you likely won’t find out till later. And that is something that is important to me because one, I feel like on social media, people are so quick to experience the things that are happening in their life through the lens. So they don’t even know anymore how to have a wedding without thinking about how it’s going to look on camera, or they don’t know how to have an engagement without worrying about whether or not they’ll get the shots for the internet, you know, and there’s just something really special, I’ve learned about keeping a little bit of love for yourself.

So I share a lot about my relationship because I want those people who are in the waiting season to also see that it’s possible. I also want the people that prayed with me, you know, for change and ease of the grief in my life to see that God answers prayers, like I’m happy, you know and I don’t ever want to hide what God is doing and has done. And I really mean that authentically, you know, it’s something that I’m proud to share, because I think it’s a reflection of the goodness and, and I’m happy and I’m willing to share it knowing that if I get all of it wrong, and everything is terrible down the line, that who cares? You know, who cares if I got it all wrong, who cares if we break up and it’s a whole hot mess, look at what I’m in now God did it once he could do it again, you know, so. So that’s why I do share what I’ve shared so far. But I can tell you right now that, you know, especially as an older woman, you know, trying to get pregnant, you know, at an older age, you know, and I’m not old by any definition, but you know, based on science and what have you, you know, it’s something that like what, you know, when and if I am pregnant, or when or if I am trying friends, like that’s something I probably am not going to share until I reach a certain point where I feel very confident and comfortable in sharing that information.

And I say that one to give some context, you know, so that you guys can understand that, you know, as much as I love our relationship here, that’s gonna be about me, my baby and my fella and our fam, you know, for a season but I will share when the time comes because it is also really exciting. And I love bringing the full circle goodness around what God has done, you know, and I’d like to share the journey of that process. But again, when I have more clarity in that process, so, you know, that’s important, but I also share that perspective and why I’m doing this that way, so that you all can also know if you’re in that place, you don’t have to be an influencer to decide that you don’t want to share stuff. You know, you don’t have to be someone who’s a public figure or noteworthy to decide that you don’t want to tell people your business and even if you share 99% of your business, you don’t have to share the 1% if you don’t want to.

And I think that that is you know, people are like, Well, if you put it out there, you better expect an opinion on it. I mean, sure, that’s fine. But you know, I don’t necessarily have to care about that opinion or the opinion doesn’t have to influence what I do. And also it doesn’t mean that I’m entitled to have to share everything and keeping something private doesn’t necessarily mean that there’s shame around or that it’s wrong or it’s bad. Sometimes we’re just keeping stuff private until I’m ready to share it, you know, for whatever reasons. A lot of those reasons also have to do with my kids. You know, like, my kids deserve to have privacy. And not everything is just about me, you know, so. So you know, if you’ve ever wondered, well, gosh, I can’t be on social media, because I can’t share as vulnerably or transparently as Nicole. Yes, you can, you know, but just share what you’re comfortable sharing and do it in a context that’s going to help and serve, don’t just do it for you know, kicks, you know, and don’t do it in a way that might hurt you, because it’s just not worth it, you know.

And then also know that no matter what you do, it is important to live boldly and out loud and happily and uncompromisingly in your own life, and not worry so much about what other people are going to say, because people will always, always have something to say about what you’re doing. There’s a common quote that is used that people will always have 100% of an opinion, about the 1% of life they know. So even if you show them just 1%, they’ll have something to say about it. And I love to show if you if you do follow me on Instagram, you’ll know that I’m in an ongoing, one sided, she doesn’t know about it, but I certainly do, beef with a certain major broadcaster, I guess I’ll call her, you know, our name starts with an O ends with a PRAH. And she may not know about me at all, you know, but I know about her. And we kind of go back and forth on the internet with me mostly going there and her never coming back.

Anyways, long story short, if you follow me on Instagram, you’ll see that I kind of detail, you know, this little sort of pretend thing we have going back and forth. But I also detail people’s responses to it. And part of why I share that is so that you can see what I’m talking about. Here it is something that is clearly in fun, clearly in jest, clearly satire, 99% of the people who watch this are having a good old time with me, you know, laughing about this fun internet joke that I’ve been going for, like five years now. And literally 1% of people will always say like, you’re a horrible person for doing this, what’s wrong with you, you’re obsessed with her. This is like people just say the craziest things from their perspective.

So I say all of this to let you know that if you are going to modify your life, based on people who have commentary about it, then you’re not going to live a life that’s worth living, you’re going to live a life that they want you to have. And you just have to remember that there’s always going to be people who have an opinion around what you’re doing. And those people have an opinion likely, are spending a huge percentage of their time watching what you’re doing, while you’re spending a huge percentage of your time doing. And that is special, you know, that is special. And it’s something to keep in mind. I know that I’m excited about where I am. And in the season I’m in and I’m excited. I’m not kidding, friends, I am so excited to tell you about the day. And I’m claiming in advance that, you know, I’m bringing new life into this world, I know it’s going to happen. And I’m excited to be able to share that with you when that day comes. I’m excited to share the day that I’m able to say on my wife again, you know, and I’m excited to share with you about you know, all the different ways you know that God has been redemptive in my life and returned tenfold everything that had been lost or misplaced or misused or abused.

And I know that day will come and as a matter of fact, you know, when you grab my book this fall in 2023, from Simon and Schuster to being published under the Simon element brand. And I’ll have so many more details, the title, the cover, all that stuff is coming out in the next coming weeks. And it’ll be available for pre-order for you all to be able to get into your hands. But when you grab this book, you are already going to see all the different ways that God has been present in my life, that things have worked out and really just miraculous ways that you know, the choices you make today will absolutely dictate your tomorrow both in a positive and in a negative way. I think you’re gonna have more context around why I am the mother that I am and why I care so much about my babies and why I chose to bring them into my home the way I did, based on some of the choices I had made in my early 20s.

And just the deep regret I had around some of those things, even if I knew they were right and why I needed so much quiet time, you know, over a year before I was ready to open my heart back up to love and why I’m so dang excited about love because boy did I not know it for the longest time and I talk about all that in my book. I even talk about how, in my book, I started writing it part way through my divorce because I started my book before my divorce journey. And part way through I actually scrapped half of my book and started over because I needed to be even more transparent, even more candid with everything I learned post healing process, and it’s made for an incredible book, it keeps being described as un-put-down-able, you know, which is really meaningful. So I’m excited, I’m excited about the book, because I think it’s going to add even more clarity and be a great tool for you to be able to say, you know, I can live boldly without compromising myself, but I also can have a story that’s worth sharing, and can make a difference. And, and I can live my life with grace, you know, you guys know how much I talk about that. When you’re sharing publicly, you know, sometimes we worry that others won’t have grace for us but we gotta show grace to ourselves to you know, if we’re learning and we look back on, you know, our old wedding Pinterest boards of 2008 and we’re like, Why did I want a pop of color and everything? And you looked at today, and you’re like, what was I thinking or whatever, you know, I mean, it’s just give yourself grace for who you were in that season. And I think that, you know, when I share what I do share, and you know, some people are probably sick of me just sick of me, just tired of Nicole Walters, you know, and it’s okay, because I’m just giving myself grace to live this season, as out loud as possible, while also being really excited about some of the things I get to hold privately and just really deeply enjoy with my girls, and with our family for now, until we decide to share it with everyone and then when we do share we get to be in in the moment again with you.

So all that being said, I cannot wait to share even more news with you very soon. But you can keep up with the journey online on Instagram at NicoleWalters, where I’m sharing everything I can and everything I’m learning to help you where you are, to get where you want to be. Thanks, friend.

Nicole:

Hey, everyone, I am so excited because we are doing a chat and you know how I am, I don’t just bring anyone on. I don’t just talk to anyone. And I’m so excited because her podcast is dynamic. It is funny. It is interesting. And it’s a podcast that I actually give to my girls to listen to. Because I’m like, I want you to hear what it sounds like to one, build something incredible. Stay true to you, keep showing up. But also learn as you go. And that’s why I have Kenzie Elizabeth here from the I love you so much podcast. And she’s here today to talk to us about all amazing things with building a business yourself. You know, she’s 25. And she’s done so much already. And also trying to balance that with like life and family and goals and perspectives and dating. And I know that I’ve got, you know, lots of youngins in my 20s who are listening. And I also have several of us who are trying to literally do a lot of what Kenzie is already doing. So I’m thrilled that she’s here. Kenzie, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.

Kenzie:

Thanks for having me. That was so nice. All I heard was that you thought I was funny and I love it here!

Nicole:

No, it’s true. Because it takes a lot to be a great interviewer. You know, there’s so many people who do podcasts and you’re just kind of like, that was kind of dry, you know? Or like ever, the conversation wasn’t as dynamic and you do such a good job kind of keeping it exciting and fun and like bringing out the best in people you chat with. So thank you.

Kenzie:

Yeah, I came out of the womb like I didn’t shut up. I was just talking. You know what I mean? So I think it was like a very natural endeavor.

Nicole:

Sure, sure. And it’s funny because I think that growing up, it’s always like God, she just talks all the time and like, will go look at us now. Right? You don’t get us now.

Kenzie:

Actually weird. I say that. And then I was actually held back in preschool because I was shy. Anyone I tell that to..

Nicole:

Nobody believes you?

Kenzie:

No. And then I was quickly voted social butterfly in the school. Like it core there was some shift. But I was actually shy when I was younger, which is I’m the least I’m the most open person. Shy, very outgoing and loud. You know?

Nicole:

Maybe you were just taking it in. You were just like, okay, where exactly am I going to shine?

Kenzie:

I was busy reading books, and I didn’t have any interest in the little kid.

Nicole:

Not everybody gets it.

Kenzie:

It was just me and Junie B Jones.

Nicole:

So hey, just as a quick intro, right, so I mean, you literally are doing all the things on social so you’re on YouTube, you’re on Instagram, you obviously have your incredible podcast. So tell us a little bit more about that. Why did you start YouTube really because that was kind of like your your first starting off point.

Kenzie:

So I started YouTube when I was 16. In middle school, I was going through just a hard time I have a great family. I love them a lot. But…

Nicole:

It’s a big family though. Huge family, personalities.

Kenzie:

Lots of personalities, divorce, remarried, like just it was very tumultuous. I grew up in a very, like emotionally explosive household. And so I started watching YouTube as it was a kind of like my safe place.

Nicole:

Yeah, it was an outlet.

Kenzie:

And I really liked YouTube. And I was like, Man, I would like love to start a channel start in like seventh grade or, and I did it because I was like, what people will think I’m weird. And then I woke up and I’m like, I’ve never once cared about people think like, what am I it was just weird. I was like, why am I doing whatever. So I started a channel when I was 16. People actually nice to me about it, too. So that was plus.Nicole:

Which is a super plus also, being that age like people can be crazy.

Kenzie:

I had so many friends at that time who ended up being homeschooled. Because like who lived in different states. They had bad experience. Yeah. But again, I think it comes to the fact that I didn’t shut up and I had I was always a floater. So I had a friend and every friend group. Sure. So like I don’t think people could have been mean to me, because like I was friends with one of their friends.

Nicole:

Oh, you know, of course.

Kenzie:

So I really spread myself thing.

Nicole:

That says a lot about your personality, too. It’s just kind of like I’m open minded. I’m like trying to meet people like I care, you know, and I think that all of that’s really reflected in your youtube content. Because here’s where I think it’s so different. So, I mean, there are lots of influencers out there. There are lots of people who are creating content every day, but your content always is about giving. There’s a lesson, there’s feedback, there’s something about how they’re going to love this for their life or if they’re running to this issue, or, Hey, this may be what I’m doing every day. But this is what I’ve kind of learned within that. Tell me a little bit about that. Was that organic for you? Or? I mean, because not everyone’s like that people think it’s just like showing off their life. You know what I mean?

Kenzie:

No, I think it was organic, because you saying that I wouldn’t even describe my content that way. Like, I wouldn’t be like, I think especially the podcast, the one thing about me is that I really do care about being authentic. And if I’m going through something, it’s very hard for me to show up online and if I’m not able to talk about it, then I feel like I’m being fake. But also, I’m just being like, emotionally healthy and mature.

Nicole:

You know, for anyone listening, you’re entitled to keep stuff to yourself, you don’t get asked to share it, you know, at least not until you have a clarity around it. You know what I mean? It’s not for you real time.

Kenzie:

Yeah, my friend Lauren, I don’t. I’m gonna butcher this, but always says, like, I’m not going to share until it’s something along the lines of like, it’s going to give someone value I don’t. In the meantime, it’s not helping me or helping them, you know. So, with that being said, I typically talk about things either during or after, and I, I’ve, so much of my audience has grown up with me. So that’s been really helpful. And I get so many DMs and messages and like feedback on the podcast, or just comments or questions, or girls be like, I’m going through this. So I kind of know what my audience needs and wants so it’s really helpful. It’s almost like free market research.

Nicole:

And maybe that’s why you don’t realize it because all your content is kind of painted from our perspective of I know who’s watching this. And so let me tell and show them what I know. They may be wondering in their mind as they’re watching, so maybe that’s why you don’t realize like, because you’re not like ending everyone like Mr. Rogers style. And today’s lesson is such a such a it’s not like that, but it’s very like, oh, my gosh, you probably want to know that this has pockets, you probably want to know, because this has this or, you know, when I was going through this, I felt like this, but this is what I found, you know, and I think that that is honestly, it’s like how people are learning now you know what I mean? Like, I think that there’s, it’s so easy to be like, oh, yeah, I just follow these motivational things. But how did it feel so good to see someone going through it? It’s like, so brave of you.

Kenzie:

I really think you I really feel like everyone is like my friend. I meet girls out and about all the time. And I would be friends with all of them. Right? So a lot of is like I think about the conversations I’m having in my own relationships, too. I bring a lot of my like friends who are providing a more traditional career background, aka they’re like normal and not influencers or like sharing every moment.

Nicole:

They have days off

Kenzie:

I’m the weird one right now. Right? And so that’s like really helpful.

Nicole:

Well, let’s talk about what that dynamic is like, in your family and with your friends. So obviously, we both have unconventional jobs. But they’re definitely jobs, right. And at some point in time it went from I’m 16 and this is an outlet, and I’m sharing to oh, you know, not just like making money. But this is I’m not going to follow a conventional path because I’ve already found the thing I’m doing right now. So how did your friends respond to that? And how did your family respond to that?

Kenzie:

My dad like thinks I could run for president. Oh, my dad immediately and he’s also like a businessman. He reminds me a lot of Ed Mylett like they’re very similar.

Nicole:

Okay, so he gets it so he gets like literally twice so excited because like he knows you’ve got the Mojo. This is like the thing.

Kenzie:

And my mom also growing up owned like a bedding and draperies company. It was like at one point in your blog. I did that for a couple of years. Like she was also a stay at home mom. And then she also worked in real estate. Like, she did a bunch of different things. My dad is definitely the one who my mom was, my mom was able to naturally enjoy life a lot more. I think that like my dad and I.

Nicole:

You guys are workers. Yeah, yeah. Right. Right. So she’s like, I do things to support my life.

Kenzie:

Yes, exactly. She has, I think, a healthier relationship with it. But I don’t know, I don’t think they ever I don’t know if they ever expected me to follow a normal career path. It was just kind of a thing. Like when I started YouTube, it was at a time where I thought I was gonna make $5 if I made any money at all, I will still be doing everything that I do for free because I love it so much.

Nicole:

But that’s how it works.

Kenzie:

That’s how it works. But I also had some sort of vision for like, this is going to be something even though it wasn’t ever a thing. But really back then there were people like way bigger at the time, but there were you just didn’t know people only recently realized they didn’t know it.

Nicole:

And also people were so there was so much mystery around how do you actually make this an income? And I remember that it was literally like because I mean, both of us I got on at the same time as you like I’ve been doing this for about 12-15ish years. But I obviously was older than you but same sort of thing where it was like people just didn’t understand how you’re making your money. They were like, Oh, well we know we need to create content we know it needs to be consistent. We know people need to like it. We don’t really know how that translates to dollars outside of like agencies and like people but now it’s like make your own products like partnerships, collaborate, like there’s all these things you know, so I love that you still have that intention in your mind. I think for anyone listening like understand that you’ve heard me say time and time again, whatever you’re starting in this you know season of your life intentionality is going to be critical if you’re not doing things with some degree of I would like this outcome, you’re not going to get the results you want. So let’s talk a little bit about that healthy balance, because it’s something I talk about too, is I’m a workaholic. And I don’t say that with pride, you know, because it’s something I’m trying to reform, you know, how are you seeing that manifests? Because, you know, let’s just dispel the rumor, being an influencer doesn’t mean I just sit at home and take pictures of my food. Yeah. So what’s that looking like for you?

Kenzie:

So I’ve struggled a lot with hustle culture. And I’ve talked about this a lot on my own show. So anyone who’s listening for me, I’m sorry, like, it’s like my go to thing.

Nicole:

But it’s important to me, like important. People don’t understand, like, I’m talking about it at 38. You’re talking about it at 25. This is a problem. You know, they mean, like, it should not be that I’m still saying the same energy years later. You know what I mean? So, so Yeah, talk about how is it manifesting in your life?

Kenzie:

So I would say when I was when I was like, 17, I moved to LA when I was 17. My channel was doing well, I was making enough, but I wasn’t making good money. And I mean, for 17 year old Yes. But I wasn’t like balling by any means, you know?

Nicole:

People here influencer and they think ferraris, and, you know, so like, living in the hills, like, it’s not all that.

Kenzie:

Yeah this was pre pre pre pre even vine days. Well, maybe vine was the thing, but tick tock wasn’t a thing. Right? Right. Very, very, very different

Nicole:

Like minimal ways to make money.

Kenzie:

Yeah and you have to like, really, really, really try to gain a following. It’s just a very different world. So I struggle with hustle culture, growing up more so it was never, I think I had a hard time differentiating, like, who I am versus what I do. And the fact that like, I am my own person, and I also do this and like not getting those confused and so my hustle culture where that came in. It wasn’t ever like, I think I found a lot of identity and work. But weirdly, it wasn’t ever the number of followers literally ever. It was never like my popularity on the internet. It was by how hard I was working.

Nicole:

Like in my how many hours you were putting?

Kenzie:

Yes. Which it wasn’t even like working smart. It was. I would guilt I was actually I was, I still struggle with this. I was in the car with a friend this morning at 8am talking about this with her because she’s the same way. And I’m like, I’ve only like recently getting to the point where I’m allowing myself to work less hours and realizing like, you can’t hold on so tightly to everything. And like, actually, there is such a thing as like, if you’re working something to death, like it’s not helpful for the business.

Nicole:

So when you say work less hours, you’d be like, Oh my gosh, I haven’t edited like 15 videos. So I haven’t done anything today. But like realistically, like, you probably wouldn’t even because we all have forever to do list. You know what I mean? Like, if we’re lucky enough to knock off 10 things, 10 more things are gonna take its place. So it’s like because if you are an entrepreneur, or a mom, or somebody who just has that type of life, where you’re a go getter, you’re always going to have more stuff on your list, like an empty To Do List honestly would be like a nightmare to me. So knowing that, is that what you mean? Like it was just sort of I wasn’t measuring it in completion or success. I was measuring it in just honestly, like how often I was on the grind versus enjoying my success.

Kenzie:

Yes, definitely.

Nicole:

Wow and how’d you like start noticing that? Were you like getting sick? Were you missing fun things with friends? What was happening?

Kenzie:

So I definitely would say I didn’t even have a social life for years, because I was so I mean, I did, but not the life that I would want. It wasn’t a priority at all.

Nicole:

Were you thinking about it in relation to work?

Kenzie:

I just need to work I need to do this, or and it depends on like, whatever. I’ve lived like 15 different life phases since 3725. Or so it really just depends on the time period of my life. But like, I also just had different priorities at different times. And it did. It was helpful in certain ways. But I’ve had anxiety my entire life. So it’s like my anxiety would get really bad.

Nicole:

And then the solution was more work?

Kenzie:

Yes. Which at the same time, that increased the anxiety. Yes. It was a never ending cycle.

Nicole:

Yes, No, I totally get it. It’s funny because I have struggled with the same thing. And it’s defining this validation, like, Oh, this is my thing. This is my identity, this is what I do. And this is my value to others. So like, I got married at 22. And so I was like, already, you know, so young, but feeling like this is how people see me and how I’m best helpful to them. So I need to work because if not, I’m not like honoring that relationship. And I’m not showing up the way I need to show up. And it wasn’t until I think I came to some of the realizations that you’re, you know, coming to but also like practicing, you know, where I was like, I’m tired, you know what I mean? Like, what is the point of the work and the money if I’m not living, you know, and then also relationships. So like, you come from a really big family and you know, texting culture is very, like family oriented, very social, all of that. I mean, what was like missing out on some of those things in exchange to create content, you know, I mean, it’s a hard thing to explain.

Kenzie:

So when I moved I also had a lot of family things going on. So I actually think missing out on family things and having space was incredibly helpful.

Nicole:

Do you feel like you could finally shape your own identity, I mean, because also being in a really big family, sometimes you can feel like you get lost in the mix. So what was the most beneficial thing you think then for that separation?

Kenzie:

So I’m the oldest child, so I never had I lost my identity. I noticed, like my biological siblings, for sure. So I don’t feel like I lost my identity, it was more so I needed to get away to like, heal and be on my own. And now I’m able to where it really did, I would say, as far as missing out on my niece’s seven starting at like, really soon, maybe I’m very, very close with her and and I’m very involved in her life. And so as she was getting older, I would always fly in for the birthdays and fly in for stuff. But as she was getting old enough to realize that I was flying in and not just like in town that started to make me even I think about like, I just I literally will not move because I will not not be in her life. Like I’ve just so and so involved in her life. So amazing. So I see it now more so but at the time, it was helpful. What I will say about friends is that I was definitely a lot less engaged. And like I the thing, that my favorite thing about myself.

Nicole:

Were you the silent one in the group chat like I’m in there, I’m reading everything, but I’m never responding. And I’m not really like, involved?

Kenzie:

Yes. And it’s weird, because I’m also always the planner and the coordinator. I think people also my friends just like had an understanding, like she’s just busy. Like we also they were going to college. So that was helpful. So we all had our online or, but even my friends in LA, I remember getting to the point where like, you know, when people are talking and just conversations, like, What’s one word that you would describe each other with, and everyone would always talk about, the first thing that would come to mind would be like, driven, work ethic, hard worker, and I was like, that is not the first thing I want my friends to describe me as.

Nicole:

Yes. I’m like graceful, kind, generous, you know…

Kenzie:

A good friend!

Nicole:

Like these more personality traits. And what’s crazy is we’re doing the things that they end up saying are the definition of who we are, thinking that it makes us look the other way without realizing like no, the person who they see as being like graceful and a good friend is the person that’s actually present. Yeah, but you know, I’m not always present because I’m working. So no, so smart. So let’s talk about what that means in your personal life then, with your goals, like are you dating, are you able to date like, I mean, so many of us, I think, like I said, I was married by 22. We spend our early years feeling like, Oh, we got to hit these marks, you know, like, gotta get married, gotta get a place. Gotta get pregnant, gotta whatever, like that was the traditional perspective. But you’ve kind of taken a different approach. So tell me a little bit more of that, because you talk about a lot on the podcast.

Kenzie:

Yeah, I was up until about a year and a half ago, two years ago, I was pretty much always dating like I was either. I had like long term boyfriends or there was like someone around or I think also a lot of the relationship because I was so busy at that time. Like my, I think what my college relationship, a lot of it was just convenience, because I was always working and there was someone who just like, sit next to me while I was working.

Nicole:

Sure. Just companionship.

Kenzie:

Exactly. So I was always dating. And then I will say like, it is difficult. It’s a little bit of like an interesting experience to date when you are like a younger woman who’s making money, who’s successful, who’s definitely making more money than them.

Nicole:

Still an interesting experience when you get older, girl.

Kenzie:

I was like, I feel like it’s always gonna be that way.

Nicole:

It is, like one of the things my therapist told me was like, Look, you need to accept right now that you’ll likely always be the breadwinner. So you need to like figure out and set your boundaries around that now, because that’s what it’s going to be.

So like, what does that mean, in the future? So and it’s kind of a weird thing to acknowledge, like, Well, no, like, I still want to be like, okay, for it, I still want to, like have some of these, like, at least for me, these traditional roles, you know, in a perspective, but I learned very quickly that you can still have all of that, you know, because money is just like a tool to help you get things it doesn’t have to be the main thing in the room. You know what I mean? Yeah, but yeah, so like for you, you’re always kind of dating, but you were having people? Have you felt like you’ve been able to have meaningful relationships while being a workaholic? Or, you know, or have you had to reform one to kind of get the other what does it look like?

Kenzie:

Yes, but I think I lost out on friendships at the time, because like something had to get but it wasn’t even that I lost out on friendships. I just actually didn’t really have the friendships that I wanted my, some of them is that yeah, like, I had my like two best riding dogs from college. And I always had that with but like, and I’m talking about my life in LA, I think I started like dating someone. And we were together for a while and I lost someone, I lost things because like, I just didn’t have the friendships, the depth that I wanted.

Nicole:

And you didn’t have the capacity, right, like, and even nurture thing. So I think that’s something we also like, kind of, I don’t know, we minimize that. It’s not just about maintaining those friendships. It’s also like the capacity to nurture the ones like I’ve gotten new friends coming in and out of my life now that I’m like, oh my god, I’d really love to like explore this, but just the season I’m in right now. Like, there’s only so much I have to give and what’s great is for some of those friendships, they are more than willing to adapt. You know what I mean? They’re like we understand but then if they’re not, it’s like I don’t have anything left to give. So it just is what it is. Do you look back and have any regrets about that?

Kenzie:

I do in the sense of I was nurturing the wrong friendships.

Nicole:

Oh, tell me more about that.

Kenzie:

So like my two three best friends from college. That was never One issue that was our problem, we get it, they get Asian. Yeah, yeah. And it was fine. I just, I didn’t I had friendships that I thought I really loved. And I thought were really good. And as time has gone on, maybe it wasn’t the right fit. I think I was in a friendship more specifically where like…

Nicole:

Right now you’re talking about something really specific comes to mind.

Kenzie:

Nothing I did was ever okay. And this was this was this person with every friend that they’d ever had. And they told me all these stories and you know me the idiot thinking like well it’s not going to be me.

Nicole:

Yeah and you’re generous, open minded, obviously.

Kenzie:

Like when it’s the same thing in dating, and when you see all the red flags, but you just keep going. And I really, really loved this friend. And this friend was so fun. And we had so much…

Nicole:

When it was good it was really good, but when I was really bad, really bad.

Kenzie:

Yeah. And so I felt, even for a couple of like a year or two after I was still putting in the effort. And it was like weird. And finally, just more stuff happened. I’m like, I just can’t do this anymore. Like nothing I ever do will be enough.

Nicole:

Did you do a formal friend breakup?

Kenzie:

No, because…

Nicole:

Or did you just let it fall off?

Kenzie:

So it had fallen off already. And then we’d go back and then a fallen off. And I would if you like try to have calm or it was more of a friendship where like, if you try to have a conversation, they’d be like, No, there’s no problem. Like, I think maybe this person was you’re afraid of conflict or something, which I get, obviously.

Nicole:

Yeah, but you’re obviously not like, I’m not like that either. I’m like, let’s just talk about it. So yeah, obviously, there’s a vibe. So let’s clear it up. You know?

Kenzie:

I feel like I could just never get to like, what it was like, sure this person just like wouldn’t say anything. And I look back now and I think the environment that were in, there’s a lot of people who are just like, not very happy anyways.

Nicole:

And there’s nothing you can do about that, you know what I mean? But it’s so good, you’re able to identify it. It’s funny, because, you know, coming in, I was talking to my boyfriend about, you know, you know, having her on the podcast. And I was like, she’s younger than me. But she’s so smart. She’s doing so much. One of the things he said he was like, you know, you can learn from anyone I was like, That’s so true. And I think one of the big takeaways that I’m getting from this because I’m in LA. I just moved here two years ago, which you know, I have my friend group, but you always need local friends. You know what I mean? Like, there’s just no getting around it.

You need to have people who like and grab brunch and just like talk to yourself, and I’m making friends. But you know, listening to your intuition is always so important. And it sounds like you you really felt that you were like this is not adding up. Have you always been a person who it’s because that’s like one of my goals this year. I was talking to my team about it. I was like, look like two things, we’re not going to do one, we’re not going to kill ourselves behind this job, right? So the workaholic piece, some stuff that’s not going to get done is just gonna have to wait till tomorrow. Or if we can’t do it, we’re letting it go. And like we’re just gonna have to trust that it’s the God that is going to come back, if it’s important. We’re just not going to stress yourself out.

And then the second part is, if it doesn’t feel right, we’re not doing it. Like I don’t I can’t always explain why it doesn’t, you know, but that’s part of I think what makes people like us different is that we’re really good at being like, well, I want to try this thing and I’m gonna give it a shot.

Have you always been like that? Just kind of this seems like a good move. This seems like good content, or this friends gotta go or this guy isn’t right. Like, have you always or do you develop that like?

Kenzie:

Workwise? I’ve always been like that. Okay. relationally No. Oh, wow. And I think more so in friendships it was when I have the best friends. I’ve the friendships I’ve wanted for so long now.

Nicole:

Oh, that’s really amazing.

Kenzie:

So when I was in Texas, and a lot of them I did grow up with them, but like getting closer again.

Nicole:

And going through stuff like as an adult, it’s a big like nurturer.

Kenzie:

Yes. And I remember realizing, like being realizing how happy I was and there’s so much of it has to do with the like, keep like, codependent thing. No, not at all, but just like having the right people around.

Nicole:

You have friends around you that absolutely call you out. Oh, yeah. Tell you Oh my god. Yes. Good friend. Hey, this is not okay.

Kenzie:

Yeah. And the friendship just felt very freeing. And like, I could do anything, and I could just tell them anything. And there weren’t problems all the time. And that was when I started to realize looking back at how many of a lot of my friendships just like, especially in the world we were in things, are so complex, like it was everything was so complicated. Like yeah, such a big deal and it didn’t matter. And so I think as I got older, I started to look back and be like, that’s not what a good friend is. And that’s not a good friendship on my end as well. So it was more so a thing I developed as far as relationally but work wise I think it’s more natural.

Nicole:

Yeah, that’s so interesting. Yeah, we for me work it was never an issue and actually I’ve always felt kind of like crazy because this is the point of therapy but like gosh, like work it’s so easy to like make the call go for it just get it done, you know, but like relationship wise I’m like well maybe they didn’t mean that it shouldn’t be like this or maybe I’m just being too tough but when we don’t give him the business hat I should be giving him the friend had like that sort of energy so oh my gosh, like so good because it’s really just affirming like this conversation confirmed a lot of things I was already thinking now, in terms of what’s next for you so you are you have like product sponsorships that you do I think you have a couple of products of your own right?

Kenzie:

You so I started my own brand recently and that we started as clothing we’re gonna lean more into accessories because that’s what we love. And that’s what’s working Hey, um, so yes, I do have a brand.

Nicole:

Yeah. Tell me about it, you have a bag you carry right?

Kenzie:

One of my really good friends from college Jessica we intern together and so we and we were always the ones who were put together because she’s good at what I’m not gonna I’m gonna what she’s not good at so good. So we always talked about like doing something together and I’m not. I wouldn’t really work with any other friend, ever.

Nicole:

So I mean, listen, everyone, so many people get partners to do business ventures because they’re scared to do it by themselves and not because that person actually brings a skill set that you don’t have. So I love hearing that. That’s like your approach to it, because that’s how it actually works.

Kenzie:

Yeah. And she’s very administrative and detail oriented. And I’m big picture. I have all the relationships. So we had been talking about it, and then it just kind of ended up finally happening. And we launched in April of 2022.

Nicole:

Where are we right now? And and so what do you have? Like I know you said it was accessories you guys are doing bags for awhile. Tell me more about like the range so we can all check it out. Obviously, I’m gonna get stuff.

Kenzie:

So we have cellulite poplin sets. We have scarves and beanies, which is you know, it’s getting smarter. Yeah. And then the puff bag is definitely like our most like, most popular and we have a lot of other like bag accessory things that are coming out.

Nicole:

I just love it. I love it. And so between that I also know that you go on tour sometimes right like with a podcast and just like people having opportunities to see you. Is that coming up? Is anything coming up soon?

Kenzie:

Yeah, I have a Chicago and Nashville show soon. Both of those. I know I love the most like I love having a brand but like I am a host.

Nicole:

Yeah. You’re a people person, love to engage.

Kenzie:

Yes, I love hosting like I would love to do I love country music. So I’d love to be like more hosting in the country world. So I do love doing live shows. That’s like my favorite thing out of anything career related that I’ve done. So we are doing more, I want to do one in LA too, like I just I want to do one anywhere.

Nicole:

It’s so funny because I think one of the things I’m hoping people hear is that you found kind of what you want to do and how you want to show up. But so much of it has been driven by you being willing to do what you would do for free but not doing it for free. Yeah, because that’s how it ends up being a business. But really, and truly you’re like, No, I love to host so I did it. I started creating the content that I wanted to create. And people tapped into it, like I answer questions, but it’s based on what I really genuinely want to answer, not based on what I think I should do. And that’s just so powerful. Like it’s so exciting because, you know, as an adoptive mom and I have a 24 year old and a 21 year old. Like, I just hope that they hear this and see this they listen to my podcast, and sometimes they’re like, we don’t want to hear your voice.

Kenzie:

That’s actually huge that they listen to Oh my God.

Nicole:

Because usually they’re like, We know you we can call you like why do you want to hear you in our background? But you know, I’m gonna make them listen to this one for sure. Because like I’ve been telling them like you don’t understand like Kenzie Elizabeth is out here. And she’s doing incredible things. So I’m just so grateful you took the time out to like, chat with me today. And then like hopefully everyone who hears all the overlaps, you know in our life and just follows you and listens and supports because you just have so much to offer. And clearly it’s just the beginning.

Kenzie:

Thank you. I loved coming on. It was so fun.

Nicole:

Oh, thanks for being here. You’re amazing.